The 480 thousand settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem have immense power. Many of them will offer armed resistance to any solution.
Avnery writes on May 8th.
Not true.
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9 comments:
Thanks so much for this post. I've now read Avnery's article and I might actually have believed it if not for your insightful and detailed rebuttal.
how do you define "many"? please refute with actual information. "not true" is pretty lame.
this is the only lie you found in this article? how about this one- the very next line:
Binyamin Netanyahu is not prepared to accept a Palestinian state."
get real.
End of March 2010:
Twenty-one percent of settlers believe that all means must be employed in to resist the evacuation of most West Bank settlements, including the use of arms, according to a recent Hebrew University study.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/poll-21-of-settlers-back-resisting-evacuation-by-any-means-1.265516
Sorry, but 21% is not many and even that I would claim is incorrect.
From CAMERA:
A Hebrew University Truman Institute poll in March of West Bank settlers found that 21 percent believe that "all means must be employed to resist the evacuation of most West Bank settlements, including the use of arms." (Emphasis added.)
Although Prof. Mearsheimer uses quotation marks as if he is quoting directly from the poll, the March Hebrew University Truman Institute poll does not at all mention the phrase "including the use of arms" in relation to resistance on the part of settlers, or any other topic. In fact, the poll does not even mention the word "arms" at any point.
The relevant question (V22) reads "If the government decides on a comprehensive evacuation of settlements in Judea and Samaria, how in your opinion should one respond to this decision?" The surveyed settlers responded by choosing one of the following four options: "Obey" (19.8 %); "Resist it by legal means" (51.6 %); "Resist it by all means" (21.1 %); and "DK/NA" (7.5 %). To reiterate, there is no mention of "including the use of arms." In fact, Mearsheimer's entire statement enclosed within quotation marks does not match up to the wording of the poll.
Certainly the phrasing that does appear in the survey — "resist by all means"— could be understood to mean arms. Nevertheless, the fact is that Mearsheimer attributed specific wording to the poll that simply was not there. (Additional questions in the poll yielded responses indicating that less than 20 percent of settlers would support the use of arms. Only 13.2 percent responded that it would be justified "to endanger yourself and your family" (V24), and 9.5 percent said it would be justified "to endanger other Jews" (V25).)
In other words, the scholar consulted a flawed secondary source and failed to examine the actual survey, which never mentions the "use of arms." That secondary source, it turns out, is apparently Akiva Eldar, whose March 31, 2010 article ("Poll: 21% of settlers back resisting evaucation 'by any means'") begins:
Twenty-one percent of settlers believe that all means must be employed in to [sic] resist the evacuation of most West Bank settlements, including the use of arms, according to a recent Hebrew University study.
Compare and contrast with the quote that Mearsheimer reproduced and falsely attributed to the Hebrew University poll:
A Hebrew University Truman Institute poll in March of West Bank settlers found that 21 percent believe that "all means must be employed to resist the evacuation of most West Bank settlements, including the use of arms."
And there you have it — the genesis of misinformation. Written in Hebrew by an Israeli journalist for Ha'aretz, translated into flawed English for the popular (and recently revamped) English-language site, then cut-and-pasted (with the exception of a grammatical correction) by an American professor, and reproduced in a major American publication. All without checking the original source.
thank you for your detailed reply. i also think 21% would be on the high side, but i also think 10% of 5000000 could legitimately be called "many". and this doesn't take into account non-settlers (remember yigal amir? from herzeliya, if i remember correctly).
which reminds me: i like your term "revenants" much better than "settlers", but all israeli jews would technically be "revenants", so what term should we use for those of us who choose to live on the "wrong" side of the green line?
sorry about the extra 0 above. got carried away. :)
you're excused
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